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转:西伯利亚发现5万年前人类骨头, 可能为西伯利亚最古老晚期智人

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发表于 2018-5-30 15:53 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 Ryan 于 2018-6-6 08:01 编辑

刚看到的。

https://www.sott.net/article/386853-Siberia-50000-year-old-bones-may-be-the-oldest-Homo-sapiens-outside-Africa-and-Middle-East

            Siberia: 50,000 year old bones may be the oldest Homo sapiens outside Africa and Middle East                           
Siberian Times
Mon, 21 May 2018 13:00 UTC
        
              
                                      © Vesti.Irkutsk
The older set of bones found on Tuyana site dated to 50,000 years ago.

Finds of 'lion-hunting ancient man' excavated from site of new road new Lake Baikal now undergoing tests at Germany's Max Planck Institute.

If the discovery in Buryatia is verified as being Homo sapiens, it will alter scientific thinking about the arrival of man in Siberia.

The discovery was made in the Tunkinskaya Valley by Irkutsk scientists in 2016.      

      © Evgeniy Rogovskoi
Two fragment of bones found on Area 2 of Tuyana site.

Older bones date to 50,000 years ago, younger ones at the same site to around 30,000 years ago, and they were found alongside tools and animal bones indicating these ancients were proficient hunters of cave lions, bison, horses and deer.

Dr Evgeniy Rogovskoi, senior researcher Institute of Archeology and Ethnography, Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said: 'The bones were found in 2016 during rescue archeological works near the Buryatian village of Tunka.

'Work on constructing a new road was about to start, so archeologists rushed here to see if they could take any material from the site.

'The bones were found within half a metre of the surface.

© Evgeniy Rogovskoi
Set of bones found on Area 1 and dated to 30,000 years old.

'We have introduced them to the scientific community only now, two years after the find, because we have been waiting for test results on them.

'There were two set of bones, one was dated as 27,000 to 30,000 years old, the other as 50,000 years old.'

The younger bones are 'modern-type' humans.

But the older ones are now undergoing tests to establish whether they are Homo sapiens, or Neanderthal or another pre-human group. © Evgeniy Rogovskoi
‘Work on constructing a new road was about to start, so archeologists rushed here to see if they could take any material from the site. Pictures:



Researchers say that if they are prehistoric Home sapiens remains, these will be the oldest found in northern Eurasia.

'More ancient bones were found (here), but these were not Homo sapiens,' said Dr Rogovskoi.

A large arsenal of bone knives was found at the site, indicating the owners must have been good hunters.


Sharp tools found at the site used semi-precious topaz and rock crystal.

An amulet was made of a cave lion tooth.

Dr Mikhail Shunkov, the institute's director, said: 'It is hard to overestimate the importance of the find.

'During the last several decades, the way experts see development of human evolution in southern Siberia has been changing quite drastically.
© Vesti.Irkutsk
An amulet made of a cave lion tooth.

'The most important question now is when Homo Sapiens appeared in Siberia, and the Tunka valley finds will allow scientists to shed light on it.'

Older Home Sapiens remains have been found in Morocco, dating back 300,000 years, it was announced last year.

And in a cave in Israel, a jawbone is believed to be of Homo sapiens origin.  It has been dated to almost 200,000 years old, twice the age of any previous discovery outside Africa where are species are believed to have originated.
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发表于 2018-5-30 16:07 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Ryan 于 2018-6-6 07:53 编辑

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看这汉语的文章,是不是现代智人不好说,有5万年的骨头,也有3万多年的

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西伯利亚发现5万年前人类骨头 可能为欧亚大陆最古老智人

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据《西伯利亚时报》报道,在西伯利亚地区的布里亚特,来自伊尔库茨克的科学家于2016年在Tunkinskaya山谷挖掘出了一些史前人类的骨头,目前这些骨头正在德国马克斯普朗克研究所进行测试。


这些骨头中最古老的可以追溯到5万年前,在同一地点发现的其他骨头可以追溯到3万年前,除了这些人类骨头,科学家们还发现了他们使用的工具和动物的骨骼,这表明这些古人是能够狩猎狮子、野牛、马和鹿等动物的熟练猎手。


俄罗斯科学院高级研究员Evgeniy Rogovskoi博士说道:“这些骨头被发现于半米以内的地表,我们现在才将这些发现公布出来,因为我们一直在等待测试结果。在发现的两套骨头中,有一套可追溯到5万年前,另一套可追溯到2.7万至3万年前。”


被发现的最古老的骨头还在进行更多的测试,以确定它的主人是智人还是尼安德特人,或者属于前人类的某个群体。研究人员表示,如果证实这些骨头属于史前智人,那么这将会是在欧亚大陆北部发现的最古老的智人。


除此之外,现场还发现了大量的用骨头做成的猎刀,表明一同埋葬的古人一定是一位好猎人。研究所所长Mikhail Shunkov博士说道:“很难评估这个发现的重要性。在过去的几十年中,专家们看到西伯利亚南部人类进化的发展方式发生了巨大的变化,现在最重要的问题是智人是何时出现在西伯利亚的,在Tunka山谷的发现可能会让科学家们找到答案。”


去年,科学家宣布在摩洛哥发现了更古老的智人残骸,可追溯到30万年前。在以色列的一个山洞里发现的一个颚骨被认为属于智人的祖先,它的历史可以追溯到近20万年前。


图为一个由狮子牙齿做成的护身符。
 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-30 16:12 | 显示全部楼层
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看这汉语的文章,是不是现代智人不好说,有5万年的骨头,也有3万多年的
大凌河 发表于 2018-5-30 16:07
已经送马普所了,测出了就知道了。
发表于 2018-5-30 16:34 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得还是智人吧,尼人的话不用测基本就能分出来,而且好像尼人更多用的是木制和石制的工具,智人用骨制的工具比较多
发表于 2018-5-30 16:35 | 显示全部楼层
不怎么懂,胡说的,感觉不像尼人
发表于 2018-5-30 16:47 | 显示全部楼层
又是支持北线的强有力证据,我猜可能父系是K2
发表于 2018-5-30 18:39 | 显示全部楼层
如果真的是5万年前那时候还有k2吗。。。。
发表于 2018-5-30 21:21 | 显示全部楼层
7# 赛璐珞战士

K2还真差不多有五万年了,因为在西伯利亚发现的K2a1乌斯季辛人都有四万五千年。
发表于 2018-5-30 22:01 | 显示全部楼层
8# MNOPS
了解!
发表于 2018-6-6 00:49 | 显示全部楼层
但是这样不是反而证明K2标记相关人群自东方流入并印证了东南亚理论。 8# MNOPS
发表于 2018-6-6 07:42 | 显示全部楼层
西伯利亚真的是古DNA研究的宝地。因为气候寒冷,超过4万年的骨骼中的DNA都可以保存得很好。
发表于 2018-6-6 08:04 | 显示全部楼层
原文标题有误。“可能为欧亚大陆最古老智人”的说法是错误的。欧亚大陆上比5万年早的早期智人和晚期智人都有。早期智人(40万年到10万年之间)当然也是属于智人的。而晚期智人,中东地区的8-10万年前以色列古人Skhul(斯虎尔人)兼具非洲智人与尼安德特人特征,一般都认为是属于晚期智人的范畴。
发表于 2018-6-6 08:28 | 显示全部楼层
10# passer-by

跟东南亚有什么关系?遗骨是在西伯利亚发现的。你还是先等东南亚找到比这年代更早的晚期智人遗骨再说吧。
发表于 2018-6-6 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
5万年的骨头,和包括田园洞人的都可以检测,为什么中国方面不考虑检测一下山顶洞人
发表于 2018-6-6 20:52 | 显示全部楼层
K2可能性较大,a和b都有可能,a可能性大
发表于 2018-6-6 21:29 | 显示全部楼层
14# 大凌河

是啊,如果能把山顶洞和柳江等中国南北旧石器古人遗骸都检测出来的话会对研究东亚人的起源和迁徙史有极大的帮助,不知道为什么有关部门从来没考虑过。
发表于 2018-6-14 16:39 | 显示全部楼层
这里提个题外话,此类测序工作一般为期多久,之前没关注过。
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