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本帖最后由 badmonkeyfinger 于 2017-12-7 15:46 编辑

Good evening.
I ve tried to make maps for influential Y-DNA Haplogroups in East Asia of A to the T. from my materials based on Y-DNA statistics based on haplotype analysis.


maps for terminal markers under Y-DNA Haplogroup O2-M122 and Haplogroup Q, R are being made now.
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Why the border area of China, Myanmar, Laos, and Vietnam has so much C2e-Z1338? Which ethnicity or which study did you use as a reference for that? Hmong people or Tibeto-Burmese people? I think C2 has a northern origin and its presence in southern China is due to the southward migrations of northern people.
1# badmonkeyfinger 不知道你们的数据是来自那里的,目前来看大陆的M119中有92%多的都是P203,北方和韩日的M119也是以P203为多,总体来看大陆的M119*比例在0.5%左右。
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这数据感觉有点奇怪呀,大片空白区域是没数据造成的吧?O1b1a2怎么可能都在北方,Z1338在西北怎么会是大片空白?
这数据感觉有点奇怪呀,大片空白区域是没数据造成的吧?O1b1a2怎么可能都在北方,Z1338在西北怎么会是大片空白?
双头鹰 发表于 2017-6-18 22:56
我也觉得很奇怪,云南缅甸老挝越南交界的地方怎么会有如此高频的C2e-Z1338?我之前从来没在任何数据上看到过
本帖最后由 badmonkeyfinger 于 2017-6-20 23:10 编辑





I ve added O2-M122's BIG3 branches JST002611, M117, F444
自 - O2b1a-47z. D4a1.
外家 - N1c2a-M128. M9a1a1.

Homo Sapiens 95%. Neanderthal 3.5%. Denisovan 1.5%
本帖最后由 badmonkeyfinger 于 2017-6-18 23:19 编辑

all of above/



C2e highly rated in Hani tribe in Yunnan province and other ethnic minorities.

Hani tribe Y haplotypes - http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00414-017-1543-4

and, C2e highly rated Dong tribe/Tujia tribe (28-30%) in Hubei province.



Of course there may be errors.

I'm sorry if its not a perfect one.
自 - O2b1a-47z. D4a1.
外家 - N1c2a-M128. M9a1a1.

Homo Sapiens 95%. Neanderthal 3.5%. Denisovan 1.5%
我也觉得很奇怪,云南缅甸老挝越南交界的地方怎么会有如此高频的C2e-Z1338?我之前从来没在任何数据上看到过
MNOPS 发表于 2017-6-18 23:02
不同的数据会有偏差,以前有一份云南红河哈尼族数据里C2e-Z1338的比例能达到40%多。
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大概他根据的是该数据
http://www.ranhaer.org/thread-34672-1-2.html
不过我印象中甘肃的Z1338应该在10%以上,新疆以及以西等地少于9%应该没问题
sahaliyan 发表于 2017-6-18 23:07
果然是藏缅民族,我没猜错。藏缅民族很多被测出有较高频率的C2,N,Q-M120只能说明一个事实,那就是他们是从北方南迁过来的 (唯一的例外可能是拉祜族,父系高频F2,更像是西南当地的土著,或者是从南亚迁过来的)
8# badmonkeyfinger 看来你们估计数据不是很多,我知道的黑龙江牡丹江汉859人数据也是有5.7%的M119的,大部份也是P203。
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11# sahaliyan

according to my datas,

Xinjiang haplogroup NO 15%

F444
Ulanbator 16%
Mudanjiang Han 12.92%
Suyen Manchurian 11.6%
Shenyang Manchurian 11.2%
Inner Mongolia 8%
Liaoning Xibe 7.9%
Liaoning Han 7.7-24.88%
Liaoning Mongolian 7.7%
Central Mongol 7.05%
Heilungjiang Hezhen 6.4%
Kuulchin Mongolian 5.1%
Uighur 4.5%
Gobi 3.4%
Vietnam 5%
Tibet 4%
Philippines 3%
Thai 1%
Malay 1%
Western Mongol 0%
Northern Mongol 0%
Eastern Mongol 0%

I agree that better to fix Xinjiang one.
自 - O2b1a-47z. D4a1.
外家 - N1c2a-M128. M9a1a1.

Homo Sapiens 95%. Neanderthal 3.5%. Denisovan 1.5%
all of above/



C2e highly rated in Hani tribe in Yunnan province and other ethnic minorities.

Hani tribe Y haplotypes - http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00414-017-1543-4

and, C2e  ...
badmonkeyfinger 发表于 2017-6-18 23:11
Well, thanks for the data. Hani is a Tibeto-Burmese ethnic group, and this gives further support to my hypothesis that Tibeto-Burmese and Sino-Tibetan peoples had a northern or northwestern origin. I know that many other Tibeto-Burmese minorities also have rather high frequencies of northern haplogroups, for example haplogroup N among the Yi people, C2 among the Garo people, and Q-M120 among the Naxi people and the Akha people.

Ancient Sinitic people also had Q-M120, N, and C2, as proven by the DNA tests of the Zhou era cemetery at Hengbei village in Shanxi, the Warring States era Zhao cemetery at Dabaoshan in Inner Mongolia, and the Western Jin era aristocracy tomb found at Linyi in Shandong.

The only exception to all these might be the Lahu people, who despite speaking a Tibeto-Burmese language, have rather high frequencies of haplogroup F2, a rare lineage only found in some parts of southwestern China. And autosomal studies also proved that the Lahu people are rather southern, being situated between East Asians and Southeast Asians on the autosomal graph. This suggests to me that the Lahu people might be descended from the indigenous inhabitants of southwestern China who got assimilated by the Tibeto-Burmese people.
本帖最后由 wanhuatong 于 2017-6-19 15:18 编辑

这个图里面有点问题,虽然一些父系在某少数民族中比例很高,但这个地区不止有少民,还有汉人,所以平均下来不会那么集中。
云南的z1338有些难以理解 另外提醒一下楼主 有几个图挂了 希望能重新发一下 谢谢
还是因为样本过少,还有统计的时候要考虑占当地人口总数的比例。
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这个图里面有点问题,虽然一些父系在某少数民族中比例很高,但这个地区不止有少民,还有汉人,所以平均下来不会那么集中。
wanhuatong 发表于 2017-6-19 14:53
难得跟你意见相同一次,不容易啊。我也认为他这个图有问题。比如C2e-Z1338的那张图片,他只看了哈尼族的数据就把云南南部的C2画得那么高频,然而当地不是只有哈尼族,还有汉族,佤族,傣族等其他少数民族。C2占当地人口的总比例绝对没有那么高频。但也不能全怪他,因为数据确实不多。

不过我认为一些西南藏缅民族C2,N,Q-M120这些有北方背景的单倍群较周边同纬度其他民族高频很多这很值得注意,联想到上古时期的华北和西北也检测到了这几个单倍群,我觉得我们已经可以很有把握地推断汉藏缅民族就是北方起源的。
本帖最后由 拓扑维度 于 2017-6-24 10:13 编辑


从上图中查到网址http://qudro.blog.me,这个C3e-z1338 分布图是韩国网友之作,没有说明数据来源,纯属主观臆造,严重偏离事实,不足为信!


C3e-z1338 超大标本量-东亚分布图,大体符合客观事实,可靠性更高!
http://www.bbvdd.com/d/20170624100507pl7.png
从上图中查到网址http://qudro.blog.me,这个C3e-z1338 分布图是韩国网友之作,没有说明数据来源,纯属主观臆造,严重偏离事实,不足为信!

http://www.bbvdd.co ...
拓扑维度 发表于 2017-6-24 10:12
他的数据来源就是哈尼族的数据,不过他的问题是不应该用哈尼族的数据代表整个云南南部地区,因为云南南部不是只有哈尼族,还有汉族和很多其他少数民族。

另外我觉得一些西南藏缅民族确实比同纬度的其他民族有显著高频的北方父系单倍群类型,比如C2,N,还有Q-M120,这个问题很值得注意。我认为藏缅民族就是北方起源的,可能在青铜时期才逐渐迁徙到西南。
南方民族就是南方民族,不需要有些别有用心的蝗汗给我们满世界找祖宗,一会儿说通古斯是南方人一会儿又说日韩是南方人,你们编故事编得累不累
本帖最后由 natsuya 于 2017-6-26 16:40 编辑

1# badmonkeyfinger
謝謝韓國朋友的分享。我自己是M134+ M117-,應該就是F444。
因此特別注意到M117和F444兩大親族類型在東北亞的分布格局。
明顯可以發現M117在南韓的分布是西高東低,可以理解由中土向東擴散的結果,而在日本則呈現極不均勻的頻率。不過,F444在朝鮮半島、日本列島卻看來是相對均勻的分布頻率。或許我錯過某些新的研究資料,可以請教你引用M117和F444在日韓區域的數據來自那些文獻嗎?此外,F444在長城沿線的相對高頻,是比較明顯的特徵。
O2a2b1a1_M117_distribution.png
O2a2b1a2_F444_distribution1.png
Y染色體:O3 M134+ M117- 應屬F444+
mtDNA:D5a2
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