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Egyin gol三组Y-DNA 1

偶然在网上检索到的一个俄文人类学论坛的数据,因为给的原文连接没有打开,所以也不知道内容来源如何,机器翻译了一下,列出的三组大约分别是:

A组:公元前300年左右,全部没有成功,但26号可能属于E3b或J2,28号和36号为I1,文中说与伊朗的сакскими墓类似(另一个版本的说法可能是C)。

B组:公元前200年-公元100年,57号大多为J2;70号、72号、73号为R1a;84号为N;92号为Q;95号大多为L。(另一个版本的说法N3a (1), J2 (1), R1a (4), R1b (5))

C组:公元200年,全部为C3。

如果资料来源可靠,那么情况还真够复杂的。看似A组、B组代表着塞种或是其他西欧亚族群与西伯利亚族群的混合,C组是北亚族群。哪位有这三组体质方面的研究?
Сектор А
DYS19 DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 YCAII DYS385 DYS389II
Mongol Egyil Gol 25aA 14 x 11 14 14 x x x
Mongol Egyil Gol 26A 14 24 10 11 14 18/22 12/19 x
Mongol Egyil Gol 27A x x 10 11 14 22/22 x x
Mongol Egyil Gol 28A 15 24 10 11 14 19/19 x 30
Mongol Egyil Gol 32aA x 23 10 x 14 x x x
Mongol Egyil Gol 36A 16 23 10 11 13 x x x

Сектор В

Name Haplogroup DYS19 DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 YCAII DYS385 DYS389II


Mongol Egyil Gol 57B 17 23 10 11 14 22/24 11/20 29
Mongol Egyil Gol 58B 17 23 10 11 14 22/24 11/20 29

Mongol Egyil Gol 65B 16 24 11 11 13 x x x
Mongol Egyil Gol 70B 16 25 11 11 13 19/23 11/14* 31
Mongol Egyil Gol 72B 16 25 11 11 13 19/23 11/14* 31
Mongol Egyil Gol 73B 16 25 11 11 13 19/23 11/14* 31

Mongol Egyil Gol 88B 14 25 x 14 15 18/23 14/14* x
Mongol Egyil Gol 94B 14 25 10 14 15 18/23 14/14* x

Mongol Egyil Gol 95B 15 24 11 14 12 19/21 13/20 28


Mongol Egyil Gol 76B 14 x x 13 13 23/23 x x

Mongol Egyil Gol 81B 14 23 x 14 13 18/21 11/13* x
Mongol Egyil Gol 79B 14 23 11 13 13 18/21 11/13* x

Mongol Egyil Gol 84bisBB x 23 11 x 11 19/19 x x

Mongol Egyil Gol 92B 13 24 10 15 13 19/20 15/17 29
Mongol Egyil Gol 84B 14 24 10 16 14 18/20 x


Сектор С

DYS19 DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 YCAII DYS385 DYS389II
Mongol Egyil Gol 46C 15 24 10 11 13 22/22 12/15 29
Mongol Egyil Gol 47C 15 24 10 11 13 22/23 12/15 x
Mongol Egyil Gol 50C 15 24 10 11 13 22/23 12/15 29
Mongol Egyil Gol 52C 15 24 10 11 13 22/23 12/15 29
Mongol Egyil Gol 53C 15 24 10 11 13 22/23 12/15 x
Mongol Egyil Gol 54C 15 24 10 11 13 22/23 x x

http://dnatree.ru/index.php?name ... c&p=21424#21424
[ 本帖最后由 Yungsiyebu 于 2009-5-9 02:41 编辑 ]

匈奴考古新发现C3&R1a1 以及Egyin gol三组Y-DNA

本帖最后由 ranhaer 于 2010-2-3 10:24 编辑

A western Eurasian male is found in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Mongolia

Kijeong Kim et al.

Abstract
We analyzed mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), Y-chromosome single nucleotide polymorphisms (Y-SNP), and autosomal short tandem repeats (STR) of three skeletons found in a 2,000-year-old Xiongnu elite cemetery in Duurlig Nars of Northeast Mongolia. This study is one of the first reports of the detailed genetic analysis of ancient human remains using the three types of genetic markers. The DNA analyses revealed that one subject was an ancient male skeleton with maternal U2e1 and paternal R1a1 haplogroups. This is the first genetic evidence that a male of distinctive Indo-European lineages (R1a1) was present in the Xiongnu of Mongolia. This might indicate an Indo-European migration into Northeast Asia 2,000 years ago. Other specimens are a female with mtDNA haplogroup D4 and a male with Y-SNP haplogroup C3 and mtDNA haplogroup D4. Those haplogroups are common in Northeast Asia. There was no close kinship among them. The genetic evidence of U2e1 and R1a1 may help to clarify the migration patterns of Indo-Europeans and ancient East-West contacts of the Xiongnu Empire. Artifacts in the tombs suggested that the Xiongnu had a system of the social stratification. The West Eurasian male might show the racial tolerance of the Xiongnu Empire and some insight into the Xiongnu society. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2010. 2010 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

Read: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123246661/abstract
Dienekes: http://dienekes.blogspot.com/201 ... -old-mongolian.html

原文阅读
Y染色體:O3 M134+ M117- 應屬F444+
mtDNA:D5a2

2000年前蒙古北部Egyin Gol河谷的C组父系全部为C3

"Other specimens are a female with mtDNA haplogroup D4 and a male with Y-SNP haplogroup C3 and mtDNA haplogroup D4."

C3 the prototype or the sub C3c?
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  • ranhaer

Y染色體:O3 M134+ M117- 應屬F444+
mtDNA:D5a2
应该就是这篇文章里提到的这个了:

http://www.eurasianhistory.com/data/articles/k02/1869.html
匈奴考古国际研讨会会议纪要

马 健
2008-11-03
......
 第三节首先发言的是韩国国家博物馆(National Museum of Korea)的Yun Hyeung won。从2002年起,韩国国家博物馆就与蒙古科学院合作,调查古代游牧民遗存。他们在蒙古东北部肯特省(Khentii Aimag)Bayan Adarga Sum地区发掘了匈奴时期的一处墓地:Duurlig Nars。韩方领队Yun Hyeung won介绍了这批墓葬的发掘情况。他们主要发掘了一批大中型墓葬,其中出土的汉式青铜帐钩、马车、铜镜、玉器十分引人瞩目。最后他们对墓葬的埋葬过程进行了复原。

还有这个:
http://www.goldbulletin.org/asse ... n_The_News_4_40.pdf
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  • ranhaer

天生万物以养人,人无一德以报天,杀杀杀
原文可以阅读了.  另外附件也是重要的.
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"Other specimens are a female with mtDNA haplogroup D4 and a male with Y-SNP haplogroup C3 and mtDNA haplogroup D4."

C3 the prototype or the sub C3c?
thelasthuns 发表于 2010-1-21 22:38
只测到M217+,没有测下游位点,也没有Y-STR.
自问,于民于家何用?
本帖最后由 fjnj 于 2010-1-21 23:17 编辑

2# thelasthuns
他们只测了12个SNPs. C3之下的分类无法确定。
只测到M217+,没有测下游位点,也没有Y-STR.
ranhaer 发表于 2010-1-21 23:06
看了一下附件中的fig5和fig6,感觉有点像UV扫描图谱,扫hg是用的什么仪器?
蒙古东北的R1?说明高加索人种早已在两千几年前就深入东北亚了。
不知道毛庆沟,桃红巴拉那些地方有没有测过
天生万物以养人,人无一德以报天,杀杀杀
蒙古东北的R1?说明高加索人种早已在两千几年前就深入东北亚了。
广府佬 发表于 2010-1-21 23:12
R1a1可能就是把游牧文化帶給匈奴祖先的印歐人/斯基泰人
Y染色體:O3 M134+ M117- 應屬F444+
mtDNA:D5a2
R1a1可能就是把游牧文化帶給匈奴祖先的印歐人/斯基泰人
natsuya 发表于 2010-1-21 23:42
匈奴王族与此有关.前苏联发掘乌珠留单于的墓,从骨骼上鉴定其为高加索人种,看来是可靠的.
所以匈奴人在很多习俗方面与斯基泰人类似,不是没有原因的
天生万物以养人,人无一德以报天,杀杀杀
匈奴王族与此有关.前苏联发掘乌珠留单于的墓,从骨骼上鉴定其为高加索人种,看来是可靠的.
所以匈奴人在很多习俗方面与斯基泰人类似,不是没有原因的
paladin 发表于 2010-1-21 23:54
論文標題為, 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery
Elite就是精英, 當時匈奴領導階層應該有不少R1a1為代表的印歐民族
Y染色體:O3 M134+ M117- 應屬F444+
mtDNA:D5a2
是东方相遇西方。:):victory:
很复出发这种帖纯属灌水行为
本帖最后由 Yungsiyebu 于 2010-1-22 18:10 编辑

同时分析了常染色体,并得出与印度高种系人群近似度高于高加索人群的结论。

关于塞基泰人,看看这个aDNA的帖子。从R1a1的支源关系来看,乌拉尔-南西伯利亚-中亚-印度的迁徙轨迹应当不成问题。
http://konglong.5d6d.com/viewthread.php?tid=6446&highlight=

不清楚这里的R1a1处于什么位置,特别是与印度的关系,到底是同源支流,还是印度的白匈奴(Huna)人之源?
匈奴王族与此有关.前苏联发掘乌珠留单于的墓,从骨骼上鉴定其为高加索人种,看来是可靠的.
所以匈奴人在很多习俗方面与斯基泰人类似,不是没有原因的
paladin 发表于 2010-1-21 23:54
赞同此说……
論文標題為, 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery
Elite就是精英, 當時匈奴領導階層應該有不少R1a1為代表的印歐民族
natsuya 发表于 2010-1-22 00:35
事实上,西方学界不少人认为:最原始的回鹘(当时操Ogur语支)其实他们就是改讲了突厥语的马扎尔人……所以匈牙利人今天也是R系居多,他们原本就不讲印欧语……

2000年前蒙古北部Egyin Gol河谷的C组父系全部为C3

Am. J. Hum. Genet., 73:000, 2003

Nuclear and Mitochondrial DNA Analysis of a 2,000-Year-Old Necropolis in the Egyin Gol Valley of Mongolia
Christine Keyser-Tracqui et al.
Abstract
DNA was extracted from the skeletal remains of 62 specimens excavated from the Egyin Gol necropolis, in northern Mongolia. This burial site is linked to the Xiongnu period and was used from the 3rd century B.C. to the 2nd century A.D. Three types of genetic markers were used to determine the genetic relationships between individuals buried in the Egyin Gol necropolis. Results from analyses of autosomal and Y chromosome short tandem repeats, as well as mitochondrial DNA, showed close relationships between several specimens and provided additional background information on the social organization within the necropolis as well as the funeral practices of the Xiongnu people. To the best of our knowledge, this is the first study using biparental, paternal, and maternal genetic systems to reconstruct partial genealogies in a protohistoric necropolis.

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