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20# hercules 南部(伊朗属阿塞拜疆地区)和北部北部沿海地区说阿扎里语(Azeri)等西北伊朗语(与塔里什语接近,其次接近吉兰-马赞达兰语群)和波斯语的西北方言(tat),北部内陆库拉河谷杂用高加索阿尔巴尼亚语(udi),亚美尼亚语和上述几种伊朗语。
19# timnj1
你那个图是wiki上的吧,我也见过,南边三个绿的西边那个是中第聂伯文化区,南边那个和东边那个是什么呢?
23# lindberg 就是竖穴墓文化(Catacomb culture)和波尔塔夫卡文化(Poltavka culture)。东北侧粉红色的是法捷安诺沃-巴拉诺沃文化(Fatyanovo-Balanovo culture)
18# imvivi001 “里海东岸路线”?穿越土库曼大沙漠?沿着锡尔河或者帕米尔-天山山前绿洲带北上可能还靠谱些,不过这样会首先进入咸海或七河-北疆地区,需要当地考/古遗传证据支持;至于高加索通道的“险恶”。。你 ...
timnj1 发表于 2017-6-4 20:09
我说的是“更佳选择”并不是指唯一选择。更何况,本贴讨论的时空环境的里海东岸的文化发展并不弱吖。另外,你可能没看我在“M269到底诞生或首次爆发于哪里? ” 一帖中的展开论述,对于已经发明了大夏驼驯化以及驼车的民族来说,那一点沙漠根本不是一个事儿,呵呵

至于里海西岸通道,根据它的独特地形,即使是有北上迁移发生,估计也不会很大规模,因为考古学与分子人类学结果均不支持~
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阿塞拜疆在突厥化之前是讲什么语言的?
hercules 发表于 2017-6-5 19:58
根据专家意见,有亚美尼亚语、老阿塞语(Old Azeri,一种波斯语),可能还有某种南高加索语(格鲁吉亚方言?)
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23# lindberg 就是竖穴墓文化(Catacomb culture)和波尔塔夫卡文化(Poltavka culture)。东北侧粉红色的是法捷安诺沃-巴拉诺沃文化(Fatyanovo-Balanovo culture)
timnj1 发表于 2017-6-5 21:38
仔细一看,还真是catacomb,不过好像catacomb是指一种带洞室墓穴,竖穴墓一般指的就是颜那亚式的墓葬吧
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18# imvivi001 “里海东岸路线”?穿越土库曼大沙漠?沿着锡尔河或者帕米尔-天山山前绿洲带北上可能还靠谱些,不过这样会首先进入咸海或七河-北疆地区,需要当地考/古遗传证据支持;至于高加索通道的“险恶”。。你 ...
timnj1 发表于 2017-6-4 20:09
观点基本是同意的。你去过高加索旅游?
仔细一看,还真是catacomb,不过好像catacomb是指一种带洞室墓穴,竖穴墓一般指的就是颜那亚式的墓葬吧
lindberg 发表于 2017-6-6 21:32
嗯是我搞错了,是洞室墓文化。。把那几种墓葬形式的中文名记串了
假设作者认为的“小亚印欧语人群可能来自东欧”为真,而根据作者提供的数据,初步排除经由巴尔干或高加索南下,那只能是经由里海东岸南下。这个倒是与我之前在本坛提出的“希腊印欧人主要源自伊朗方向”的推测不 ...
imvivi001 发表于 2017-5-31 15:57
之前匆匆忙忙预览没看清楚,其实作者如是说:

One version of the Steppe Hypothesis of Indo-European language origins suggests that Proto-Indo European languages developed in the steppe north of the Black and Caspian seas, and that the earliest known diverging branch – Anatolian – was spread into Asia Minor by movements of steppe peoples through the Balkan peninsula during the Copper Age around 4000 BCE, as part of the same incursions from the steppe that coincided with the decline of the tell settlements. [51] If this were correct, then one way to detect evidence of it would be the appearance of large amounts of characteristic steppe ancestry first in the Balkan Peninsula, and then in Anatolia. However, our genetic data do not support this scenario. While we find steppe ancestry in Balkan Copper Age and Bronze Age individuals, this ancestry is sporadic across individuals in the Copper Age, and at low levels in the Bronze Age. Moreover, while Bronze Age Anatolian individuals have CHG/Iran Neolithic related ancestry, they have neither the EHG ancestry characteristic of all steppe populations sampled to date [20] , nor the WHG ancestry that is ubiquitous in southeastern Europe in the Neolithic (Figure 1A, Supplementary Data Table 2, Supplementary Information section 1). This pattern is consistent with that seen in northwestern Anatolia [11] and later in Copper Age Anatolia [23], suggesting continuing migration into Anatolia from the East rather than from Europe.
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    这样的话,mathi的观点正好与我不谋而合~
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