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尼泊尔那个还是挺像印度的,像日本是因为用了日本音乐常用的音,以前音乐老师解释为什么日本音乐听起来很别扭是因为中国传统音乐讲究和谐大气,所以用相互有距离的五音,而日本喜欢用变徵变宫这样的偏音。语文老师解释"高渐离击筑,荆轲和而歌,为变徵之声,士皆垂泪涕泣。"也说这种变徵之声表现的是一种赴死的悲凉,但现在想想,有可能是东北地方的一种音乐特征,正好弥生人也是从东北朝鲜一带过去的。

日本除了这种可能弥生人带过去的音乐以外,还有一种姬神代表的音乐,也有人解释为绳纹人音乐,很喜欢,而且感觉有些偏南岛,不知道是不是也是从大陆,江浙一带传过去的
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本帖最后由 imvivi001 于 2017-11-3 19:55 编辑
13# imvivi001
仅指数据结果的观感而已,首先这是同一个人的结果,然后只看数字和类别,会产生这样的想法,似乎把一些ANE、W-A合起来变成了WHG。
更深层的涉及诸如1.同样看起来10%的ASE其内涵可能不同,因为毕竟 ...
紫蔻 发表于 2017-9-22 08:53
专业上不存在“W-A”,除非是个人的硬性捆绑。WHG是一种相对ANE、EE与basal E.而言非常纯粹的成分。

之前在欧洲人没有搞明白真正的WHG与CHG、EHG以及SHG的区别之前,他们会把这几类有关联性的成分统一以一种模糊的“WHG-UHG”来定义,其中UHG是指与WHG相关但是暂时无法明确定义的意思~
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17# 紫蔻
顺便再提醒一下,如果以后看到有哪家检测机构仍然以WHG-UHG来定义某一种西亚欧的成分,可以直接把这家垃圾机构帕斯掉,呵呵~
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22# imvivi001
略晕 。不过我希望看到001同志率领的先头小部队用咱们中国的冻豆腐砸碎他们的西洋老花镜!
有些偏差也是正常
24# 紫蔻
看看你的E11对比.
专业上不存在“W-A”,除非是个人的硬性捆绑。WHG是一种相对ANE、EE与basal E.而言非常纯粹的成分。
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imvivi001 发表于 2017-9-23 11:14
修正一下:假如以OoA作为参照,EE、WHG、ANE距离差不多,而basal E.应该相距略远。不过目前没有实体的OoA数据,所以只是一个假设~
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23魔方上传DNA.LAND竟然34%日本,说明他们的数据也太离谱了……
尼泊尔那个还是挺像印度的,像日本是因为用了日本音乐常用的音,以前音乐老师解释为什么日本音乐听起来很别扭是因为中国传统音乐讲究和谐大气,所以用相互有距离的五音,而日本喜欢用变徵变宫这样的偏音。语文老师解 ...
Lep1dus 发表于 2017-9-23 10:55
弥生人就是浙江一带过去的,绳文人要更南了,主要是东南亚的小矮黑人

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弥生人就是浙江一带过去的,绳文人要更南了,主要是东南亚的小矮黑人
IndigoAquarius 发表于 2017-12-4 18:58
新人请注意。弥生人是典型东北亚人,最接近今天的日韩。绳文人则与东南亚东北亚都不近。
O3a3c* (M134+, M117-)
7# cwqjack 不需要,最好以后能开发出适合分析23魔方数据的软件,像e11那种,关心常染的人不多,希望渺茫
继续努力吧~
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Population Genetics Analysis of the Origin of Modern Japanese Shigeki Nakagome, University of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois, USA
Hiroki Oota, Kitasato University School of Medicine, Minami‐ku Sagamihara, Kanagawa, Japan
Published online: March 2016

Abstract
Human settlement of the Japanese archipelago is of significant interest for understanding how human populations migrated from the East Asian continent to isolated islands and shifted lifestyles from hunter‐gathering to farming. The hunter‐gathering Jomon period follows the Palaeolithic period but precedes the agricultural Yayoi period. Three hypotheses have been proposed to model the population history in the Japanese archipelago. Two of these are in contrast with each other, hypothesising that lineages leading to modern Japanese are traced back to a single ancestor of indigenous Jomon (the transformation hypothesis) or migrant Yayoi (the replacement hypothesis) people. The third model postulates a hybridisation lineage or an admixture of the two ancestral populations. Recent advances in high‐throughput technology have enabled the application of genome‐scale data to directly test the three models. Several lines of population genetics studies strongly support the hybridisation hypothesis to explain the origin of modern Japanese.

Key Concepts


Prehistory in the Japanese archipelago is characterised by the Jomon and Yayoi cultures.


A major cultural transition from the Jomon period to the Yayoi period is a shift in lifestyles from hunter‐gathering to farming.


Three demographic models have been proposed to explain the origin of modern Japanese: transformation, replacement and hybridisation.


A dual structure hypothesis is based on the hybridisation model and assumes that modern Japanese is admixed between the indigenous Jomon and migrated Yayoi people, and the degree of admixture varies among local populations in the Japanese archipelago.


Population genetics analyses have been performed to make inferences about the evolutionary history of modern Japanese.
Genomic data, as well as genetic data from a single locus or small number of loci, support the hybridisation hypothesis to explain the origin of modern Japanese.


Statistical modelling based on genomic data shows a complex history characterised with the population stratification of the Jomon people in the Japanese archipelago.




DOI: 10.1002/9780470015902.a0026516

http://www.els.net/WileyCDA/ElsArticle/refId-a0026516.html
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早期金老师徐老师团队的研究成果,还是具有较高的参考价值

Paleolithic Contingent in Modern Japanese: Estimation and Inference using Genome-wide Data | Scientific Reports
Yungang He, Wei R. Wang, Shuhua Xu, Li Jin & Pan-Asia SNP Consortium
Scientific Reports 2, Article number: 355 (2012)

doi:10.1038/srep00355
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep00355

Abstract
The genetic origins of Japanese populations have been controversial. Upper Paleolithic Japanese, i.e. Jomon, developed independently in Japanese islands for more than 10,000 years until the isolation was ended with the influxes of continental immigrants about 2,000 years ago.
However, the knowledge of origin of Jomon and its contribution to the genetic pool of contemporary Japanese is still limited, albeit the extensive studies using mtDNA and Y chromosomes.

In this report, we aimed to infer the origin of Jomon and to estimate its contribution to Japanese by fitting an admixture model with missing data from Jomon to a genome-wide data from 94 worldwide populations.

Our results showed that the genetic contributions of Jomon, the Paleolithic contingent in Japanese, are 54.3~62.3% in Ryukyuans and 23.1~39.5% in mainland Japanese, respectively. Utilizing inferred allele frequencies of the Jomon population, we further showed the Paleolithic contingent in Japanese had a Northeast Asia origin.
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ENF是什么意思?
35# romantic-wk   early neolithic farmer的意思
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我觉得魔方不太靠谱,西欧亚骗多了吧,有点抢微基因生意的嫌疑,哈哈哈,个人玩笑。楼主中突厥就算是2.几在北方也算是多的了,很多人都没有呢,感觉有些奇怪,难道是南亚带过来的?
36# imvivi001 谢谢
本帖最后由 紫蔻 于 2018-1-18 13:29 编辑

37# romantic-wk 这里看不出来魔方的西欧亚偏多,至少不是对所有人都这样的。我在魔方的结果没有任何西欧亚,而如果微基因的蒙古语族有点西的话还算有点。其它的运算魔方的数据可用率太低,因此仅供参考。
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