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预印本说匈牙利公元十世纪征服者近三分之一的mtDNA源自中亚和内陆亚洲并可能出自匈奴

Mitogenomic data indicate admixture components of Asian Hun and Srubnaya origin in the Hungarian Conquerors
Neparaczki et al.
doi:  https://doi.org/10.1101/250688
全文:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/01/19/250688.full.pdf+html

Abstract



   It has been widely accepted that the Finno-Ugric Hungarian language, originated from proto Uralic people, was brought into the Carpathian Basin by the Hungarian Conquerors. From the middle of the 19th century this view prevailed against the deep-rooted Hungarian Hun tradition, maintained in folk memory as well as in Hungarian and foreign written medieval sources, which claimed that Hungarians were kinsfolk of the Huns. In order to shed light on the genetic origin of the Conquerors we sequenced 102 mitogenomes from early Conqueror cemeteries and compared them to sequences of all available databases. We applied novel population genetic algorithms, named Shared Haplogroup Distance and MITOMIX, to reveal past admixture of maternal lineages. Phylogenetic and population genetic analysis indicated that more than one third of the Conqueror maternal lineages were derived from Central-Inner Asia and their most probable ultimate sources were the Asian Huns. The rest of the lineages most likely originated from the Bronze Age Potapovka-Poltavka-Srubnaya cultures of the Pontic-Caspian steppe, which area was part of the later European Hun empire. Our data give support to the Hungarian Hun tradition and provides indirect evidence for the genetic connection between Asian and European Huns. Available data imply that the Conquerors did not have a major contribution to the gene pool of the Carpathian Basin, raising doubts about the Conqueror origin of Hungarian language.
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匈牙利人民终于名正言顺了,热烈祝贺!

之前我在本坛说过,匈牙利人常见的姓氏Szabó(裁缝)与汉语这么像,看来还是有道理的。


欢迎他们回老家探亲,呵呵
物格而后知至,知至而后意诚,意诚而后心正,心正而后身修,身修而后家齐,家齐而后国治,国治而后天下平...
本帖最后由 15736068420 于 2018-1-22 07:31 编辑

入侵欧洲的第一批东方蛮族就有马镫,应该是受鲜卑乌桓的扩张而西迁的族群,路线肯定是走南西伯利亚北线,就是之前塞伊玛图尔宾诺西迁同样的路线。因为他们裹挟了大批乌拉尔部落,在西西伯利亚平原被土著化的
Mitogenomic data indicate admixture components of Asian Hun and Srubnaya origin in the Hungarian Conquerors
Neparaczki et al.
doi:  https://doi.org/10.1101/250688
全文:https://www.biorxiv.org/cont
... more than one third of the Conqueror maternal lineages were derived from Central-Inner Asia and their most probable ultimate sources were the Asian Huns. The rest of the lineages most likely originated from the Bronze Age Potapovka-Poltavka-Srubnaya cultures of the Pontic-Caspian steppe
cpan0256 发表于 2018-1-22 01:55
最新的基因检测显示,即便是青铜时期的南俄大草原,这些Potapovka-Poltavka-Srubnaya古人也是带有明显来自东方的成分(其中包括东亚成分),再次印证我这几年一贯以来的观点,即东方人群对西方的”殖民”从未间断,当然,总体来说好处远大于弊,比如陶器纺织什么的(后期历史时期的纸张火药另有传播途径),至于那个著名的耶氏鼠疫杆菌则应该不在此列~
物格而后知至,知至而后意诚,意诚而后心正,心正而后身修,身修而后家齐,家齐而后国治,国治而后天下平...
本帖最后由 Manaus 于 2018-1-22 08:13 编辑

如果母系有三分之一可能出自匈奴及内亚,那么父系只会更多而不会更少

现在看来the Huns匈人、匈奴,匈牙利Hungary可以划上等号了

奧地利-匈牙利德语名为Österreich-Ungarn,Ungarn /ʊnga:n/即Hungary
阏氏们很不给力呀
极品猥琐凤凰眼镜生物党棍左棍五毛愤青爱国
八代贫农根正苗
远山劲松傲然孤独千秋万代一统浆糊
入侵欧洲的第一批东方蛮族就有马镫,应该是受鲜卑乌桓的扩张而西迁的族群,路线肯定是走南西伯利亚北线,就是之前塞伊玛图尔宾诺西迁同样的路线。因为他们裹挟了大批乌拉尔部落,在西西伯利亚平原被土著化的
15736068420 发表于 2018-1-22 07:26
说不定马镫的发明提前二百年也是有可能的~
物格而后知至,知至而后意诚,意诚而后心正,心正而后身修,身修而后家齐,家齐而后国治,国治而后天下平...
阏氏们很不给力呀
一统浆糊 发表于 2018-1-22 08:13
可能这些西迁的‘匈奴人’实行的是类似鲜卑的府兵制,早期打仗的主力应该是匈奴人为主,男性伤亡较重。后来阿提拉大帝被他的罗马新媳妇谋杀后,他的儿子溃败时又匆忙带走了多数男性,以至于...
物格而后知至,知至而后意诚,意诚而后心正,心正而后身修,身修而后家齐,家齐而后国治,国治而后天下平...
9# 一统浆糊
U2e看来遍布欧亚大陆。

这文章测的匈牙利征服者里有一个可能来自西方的U2e1b1和三个可能来自东方的U2e1b。下面是补充材料里的58张mtDNA网络图之一。
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2018-1-22 08:54
名画欣赏:上帝之鞭

物格而后知至,知至而后意诚,意诚而后心正,心正而后身修,身修而后家齐,家齐而后国治,国治而后天下平...
不要搞错了,本文测的是阿提拉之后几百年的那次马扎尔人的征服
sahaliyan 发表于 2018-1-22 09:06
Our data give support to the Hungarian Hun tradition and provides indirect evidence for the genetic connection between Asian and European Huns.
简介里不是说为亚洲匈奴与欧洲匈人的基因联系提供了证据吗?
如果母系有三分之一可能出自匈奴及内亚,那么父系只会更多而不会更少
Manaus 发表于 2018-1-22 08:10
稍早的一篇文章与顶楼文章有相同的第一和通讯作者,其中报告了4个人的Y单倍群和17个人的mtDNA(非全序)结果。似乎测Y单倍群很不容易,他们接下来就注重mtDNA全序测量了。

稍早的文章有4个Y单倍群结果,两个I2a和两个R1b-M269.
稍早的一篇文章与顶楼文章有相同的第一和通讯作者。
Genetic structure of the early Hungarian conquerors inferred from mtDNA haplotypes and Y‑chromosome haplogroups  in a small cemetery

Abstract: We applied ancient DNA methods to shed light on the origin of ancient Hungarians and their relation to modern populations. Hungarians moved into the Carpathian Basin from the Eurasian Pontic steppes in the year 895 AD as a confederation of seven tribes, but their further origin remains obscure. Here, we present 17 mtDNA haplotypes and four Y-chromosome haplogroups, which portray the genetic composition of an entire small cemetery of the first generation Hungarians. Using novel algorithms to compare these mitochondrial DNA haplogroups with other ancient and modern Eurasian data, we revealed that a significant portion of the Hungarians probably originated from a long ago consolidated gene pool in Central Asia-South Siberia, which still persists in modern Hungarians. Another genetic layer of the early Hungarians was obtained during their westward migrations by admixing with various populations of European origin, and an important component of these was derived from the Caucasus region. Most of the modern populations, which are genetically closest relatives of ancient Hungarians, today speak non-Indo-European languages. Our results contribute to our understanding of the peopling of Europe by providing ancient DNA data from a still genetically poorly studied period of medieval human migrations.


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-016-1267-z


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如果后期没有大量移民的话,为什么现在父系母系贡献这么少?飘没了?
稍早的另一篇文章也与顶楼文章有相同的第一和通讯作者。

Revising mtDNA haplotypes of the ancient Hungarian conquerors with next generation sequencing

Abstract: As part of the effort to create a high resolution representative sequence database of the
medieval Hungarian conquerors we have resequenced the entire mtDNA genome of 24
published ancient samples with Next Generation Sequencing, whose haplotypes had been
previously determined with traditional PCR based methods. We show that PCR based methods
are prone to erroneous haplotype or haplogroup determination due to ambiguous
sequence reads, and many of the resequenced samples had been classified inaccurately.
The SNaPshot method applied with published ancient DNA authenticity criteria is the most
straightforward and cheapest PCR based approach for testing a large number of coding
region SNP-s, which greatly facilitates correct haplogroup determination.

全文:http://journals.plos.org/plosone ... ournal.pone.0174886
9# 一统浆糊
U2e看来遍布欧亚大陆。

这文章测的匈牙利征服者里有一个可能来自西方的U2e1b1和三个可能来自东方的U2e1b。下面是补充材料里的58张mtDNA网络图之一。
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cpan0256 发表于 2018-1-22 08:54
我的母系确实很可能来源于匈奴。
极品猥琐凤凰眼镜生物党棍左棍五毛愤青爱国
八代贫农根正苗
远山劲松傲然孤独千秋万代一统浆糊
如果后期没有大量移民的话,为什么现在父系母系贡献这么少?飘没了?
romantic-wk 发表于 2018-1-22 10:05
游牧部落,如果测重统治和对外作战,治下土著农民占的人口比重会越来越大。王国境内保持稳定,周边也会有人群想进来活。大概征服者部落转到农业比较晚。
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