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本帖最后由 红山人 于 2018-1-23 17:20 编辑

所以还是回到我在前面跟你说的光宗的情况, 你说光宗做事情也太绝了 怎么能为了外人去迫害功臣,  光海君就是没有光宗的那一下,或者说是没看透, 就因为连自己的心腹都这样了,所以他又怎能再进一步。
165# sahaliyan
狮群社会?
http://blog.sina.com.cn/aganmu;安德(嗨,前一个无辜被封):
http://blog.sina.com.cn/kilarler
该过程真与中国奸雄屠杀疑惑之人的过程相似啊,先是出现谋反案(有可能是真的,也可能是捏造的),要复辟王氏。然后一帮帮闲的狗腿子就不断上疏要求屠杀所有王氏,你不杀他们可不行啊,你没看到汉光武帝,汉昭烈帝一 ...
sahaliyan 发表于 2018-1-23 23:49
你看来是看出了其中的奥妙啊, 帝王之术无非就是这样,什么样的人上台都有权利让自己名垂青史。 我们后人只能从一些蛛丝马迹去判断了

关于李成桂家族的篡位, 我觉得这本身就是谋逆 没什么可喜的  你说他为了国家百姓免于涂炭 威化岛班师, 这是扯淡, 禑王,崔莹  也都是爱国之人
你看来是看出了其中的奥妙啊, 帝王之术无非就是这样,什么样的人上台都有权利让自己名垂青史。 我们后人只能从一些蛛丝马迹去判断了

关于李成桂家族的篡位, 我觉得这本身就是谋逆 没什么可喜的  你说他为了国 ...
红山人 发表于 2018-1-24 08:06
所以日本确实让人敬佩!
阿尔斯兰(爱新,黄毛狮子金毛犼)——金新罗——狮群社会,这又是言与神同在的例子呀!如今北朝鲜,仍有狮王雄风,人道不胜狮子道,虽曰让人失望,然而霸王道,也是不得已而为之,且为东亚民族长志气。不过像李成桂那种感谢逊位者还来不及,却反攻倒算加害旧主的,确实缺德带冒烟,也难怪承袭李氏朝鲜衣钵的韩国,如今那般奴颜婢膝认美作父,丢东亚的脸!

中国阻碍对朝输送人道物资?外交部驳斥原标题:外交部驳斥“中国阻碍对朝输送人道物资”说法 [环球时报-环球网报道记者姚丽娟]有国际组织认为中方阻碍了人道主义救援物资输送朝鲜?[详细]

1月23日 16:09
华春莹朝鲜联合国
http://blog.sina.com.cn/aganmu;安德(嗨,前一个无辜被封):
http://blog.sina.com.cn/kilarler
禑王的小名牟尼奴, 就是释迦摩尼之奴仆   更准确的解读应该是  信奉释迦摩尼的僧侣所生的杂碎。  暗指他是辛盹之子  连燕山君,光海君都有君号  而禑王则连君号都没有 就取他的名字  称禑王  这是对他的极大贬低


又有记载他没有体统的迷恋酒色  无视人伦还和恭愍王的定妃安氏 有过关系    这绝对是污蔑  他从小失去生母和乳母  又没有得到祖母的关爱  因此从定妃那里想得到母爱是有可能的
所以日本确实让人敬佩!
阿尔斯兰(爱新,黄毛狮子金毛犼)——金新罗——狮群社会,这又是言与神同在的例子呀!如今北朝鲜,仍有狮王雄风,人道不胜狮子道,虽曰让人失望,然而霸王道,也是不得已而为之,且为东 ...
癯鹤 发表于 2018-1-24 08:28
见鬼的民主!鬼子的民主:
The countries that killed democracy: Graphic shows the nations where regimes have taken away people's freedoms... with Russia and China among the worst
  • Some 88 countries, including Britain and America, were seen as being 'free' in Freedom in the World report
  • But 49 - including the likes of Thailand, Egypt, China, Russia and Turkey - were deemed to be 'not free'
  • Scandinavian nations Finland, Norway and Sweden topped list of 'free' nations with scores of 100 out of 100
  • War torn Syria under dictator Bashar al-Assad was named the worst on -1 followed by South Sudan and Eritrea
ByJulian Robinson for MailOnline
Published: 16:04 GMT, 23 January 2018 | Updated: 18:35 GMT, 23 January 2018
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Russia and China have been named in a report as being among the worst countries in the world for taking away people's freedoms.
The annual Freedom in the World report ranks nations according to civil liberties and political rights with each country placed in one of three categories: 'Free', 'Partly free' and 'not free'.
Some 88 countries, including Britain and America, were seen as being 'free' while 49 - including the likes of Thailand, Egypt, and Turkey - were deemed to be 'not free'.
Each nation is give a score out of 100 with the worst (-1/100) recorded by war torn Syria under the brutal dictatorship of Bashar al-Assad. South Sudan, Eritrea, North Korea and Turkmenistan made up the rest of the bottom five.

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Russia and China have been named in a report as being among the worst countries in the world for taking away people's freedoms


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Some 88 countries, including Britain and America, were seen as being 'free' while 49 - including the likes of Thailand, Egypt, and Turkey - were deemed to be 'not free'


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Each nation is give a score out of 100 with the worst (-1/100) recorded by war torn Syria under the brutal dictatorship of Bashar Al-Assad. South Sudan, Eritrea, North Korea and Turkmenistan made up the rest of the bottom five


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The Freedom House report found that there had been dramatic declines in freedom observed in regions around the world

Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Cuba were also among tightly controlled nations in this category. Russia was 27th from bottom with a score of 20.
The number of people living under 'not free' conditions stood at nearly 2.7 billion people. But more than half of this number lives in just one country - China, which was named 19th from bottom on the list after recording a score of 14.



At the other end of the spectrum, Scandinavian countries, Finland, Norway and Sweden topped the list of 'free' nations with scores of 100, followed in the top ten by Canada, Netherlands, Australia, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Uruguay and Denmark.



Britain was named 27th with a score of 94 - above France but below Spain and Germany. America was 53rd, just above Greece and Mongolia, but below the likes of Italy and Costa Rica.

WHICH NATIONS HAVE THE MOST 'FREEDOM'... AND WHERE ARE LIBERTIES MOST RESTRICTED?'Not free' countries Score / 100 'Free' countries Score / 100
1. Syria -1 1. Finland 100
2. South Sudan 2 2. Norway 100
3. Eritrea 3 3. Sweden 100
4. North Korea 3 4. Canada 99
5. Turkmenistan 4 5. Netherlands 99
6. Equatorial Guinea 7 6. Australia 98
7. Saudi Arabia 7 7. Luxembourg 98
8. Somalia 7 8. New Zealand 98
9. Uzbekistan 7 9. Uruguay 98
10. Sudan 8 10. Denmark 97
11. Central African Republic 9 11. Portugal 97
12. Libya 9 12. San Marino 97
13. Tajikistan 11 13. Andorra 96
14. Azerbaijan 12 14. Barbados 96
15. Bahrain 12 15. Ireland 96
16. Ethiopia 12 16. Japan 96
17. Laos 12 17. Switzerland 96
18. Yemen 13 18. Belgium 95
19. China 14 19. Iceland 95
20. Cuba 14 20. Austria 94



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The report claims that the last year had brought 'further, faster erosion of America's own democratic standards' which had ended up 'damaging its credibility as a champion of good governance and human rights'


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The report released a list of trends showing countries where freedom for citizens had improved or been on the decline

The nonpartisan organisation Freedom House said of its findings: 'Democracy faced its most serious crisis in decades in 2017 as its basic tenets -including guarantees of free and fair elections, the rights of minorities, freedom of the press, and the rule of law -came under attack around the world.
'Seventy-one countries suffered net declines in political rights and civil liberties, with only 35 registering gains. This marked the 12th consecutive year of decline in global freedom.
'The United States retreated from its traditional role as both a champion and an exemplar of democracy amid an acceler ating decline in American political rights and civil liberties.'
The report said that over the period since the 12-year global slide began in 2006, 113 countries have seen a net decline, and only 62 have experienced a net improvement.

The number of countries designated as Free stands at 88, representing more than 2.9 billion people —or 39 per cent of the global population. The number of Free countries increased by one from the previous year's report, it said.
The number of countries qualifying as Partly Free stands at 58, or 30 per cent of all countries assessed, and they were home to nearly 1.8 billion people, or 24 per cent of the world's total.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5302887/Graphic-shows-regimes-taken-away-freedoms.html#ixzz553v28EOb
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http://blog.sina.com.cn/aganmu;安德(嗨,前一个无辜被封):
http://blog.sina.com.cn/kilarler
感觉 之兰 /  豆兰  是同音异字而已
四月丁未禑次平壤督徵诸道兵,作浮桥于鸭绿江,使大护军裴矩督之。船运林廉等家财于西京,欲充军赏。又发中外僧徒为兵,抄京畿兵屯东西江以备倭。 加崔莹八道都统使,以昌城府院君曹敏修为左军都统使,以西京都元帅沈 ...杨广道都元帅王安德,副元帅李承源,庆尙道上元帅朴葳,全罗道副元帅崔云海,鸡林元帅庆仪,安东元帅崔郸,助战元帅崔公哲……
sahaliyan 发表于 2018-1-24 10:32
杨广道?可怜的隋炀帝!不但京观成了人家的纪功碑!连帝名也成了地名,被人家炫耀(不由得想起叔孙得臣给儿子命名叔孙侨如;也速该给儿子命名铁木真,东夷-东胡传统呀)!哀哉!
http://blog.sina.com.cn/aganmu;安德(嗨,前一个无辜被封):
http://blog.sina.com.cn/kilarler
175# 癯鹤

哥哥啊  杨广道是  杨州 广州  
176# 红山人
呵呵! 人从隋后多忌讳,你我幸为今世民!
http://blog.sina.com.cn/aganmu;安德(嗨,前一个无辜被封):
http://blog.sina.com.cn/kilarler
○桓王有孼子二人, 元桂, 婢內隱藏出; 和, 婢古音加出。 元桂子四, 良祐、天祐、朝、伯溫。 和子七, 之崇、淑、澄、湛、皎、淮、漸。 良祐子, 興發、興濟、興露、興美。 天祐子宏軒。 之崇子壽長。 淑子吾望、之發。 ...
sahaliyan 发表于 2018-1-24 12:51
14世纪的高丽汉字音 不完全对应现在的汉字音,有时候得好好的学习比对 鸡林类事 训民正音等材料。

就这俩婢女的名字, 看不出来是什么意思, 不过我倒是很好奇, 中原或者你所了解的女真族的历史上, 有没有像高丽那样(估计新罗也是那样) 重视母族姓氏的,或者女儿使用母亲(以及姥姥)姓氏的?

关于 禑王的问题, 当时据记载,他没有得到王太后的支持,有人推测,跟人家怀疑他非恭愍王所生无关,是因为怀疑他母亲是个奴婢, 在高丽社会,作为一个王 他母亲家的背景也是很看重的,因为这个传统才导致的  


但是根据朝鲜的思想, 在没有其他选择的情况下  只要是王的亲生儿子,就不会在意是不是身份低位之女所生
178# sahaliyan

你前面资料里的 高丽女子姓名中 有一个女的 叫  内隐伊    而 这个桓王碑妾 名 内隐藏, 我知道,  **伊 是 形容词名词化词后缀形式, **藏, 不知道是不是类似于 名词+者  这类了   主要是  内隐 到底对应的是朝鲜语的什么词,搞不清楚,因为现在朝鲜语有太多的汉字词 过去高丽时代是没有的,很多高丽时期的土词现在都失传了
女直是父系社会,别婚姻完全根据父系,而且与半岛不同,半岛立嗣首重嫡子,没有嫡子才考虑庶子,但是清人则皇帝诸子都有继承权,并不一定需要是皇后之子,并不优先选择嫡子,所以清代皇帝很多并非皇后之子(当然他们 ...
sahaliyan 发表于 2018-1-24 13:54
高丽也是不重视嫡长子制度, 所以王建遗言才会说,能者继位,或者说,高丽土俗是大家都平等   所以那些王建的老婆们,从高丽的法律上地位都是相等的,谁外戚势力更强,谁就等上位  但同时高丽受到了一些华夏儒家思想的影响,有比较松散的嫡长子继承的倾向。
在高丽法律上, 女儿和儿子有权利平分父母的遗产, 女儿可以主动选择离婚,即使是被丈夫休了 到了社会上也能抬着头正大光明的再婚,社会风气对他不会有什么冷眼   高丽女子还喜欢在户外温泉洗浴,据说开城周边当时有很多温泉。
本帖最后由 红山人 于 2018-1-24 14:39 编辑

满人的这种风俗 比高丽更平等看来, 高丽还是要看这个女儿她的母亲地位是不是高的, 正室夫人的 兄弟姐妹之间是同等的  妾家如果卑微, 其子女也就卑微了(虽然他们彼此也是平等的)


汉族好像也是跟满族一样,只要父亲地位高,即使是婢女所生子女,一般地位也不会低  朝鲜和高丽的共同问题是  你妈是奴婢,或者说 你姥姥是奴婢,那么你就是奴婢,地位就很低了  

但如果一个大户人家, 娶了好几个老婆, 至少在高丽社会,就不存在大老婆最牛这一说了,所有老婆家族身份只要平等,那么地位也是平等的, 他们的子女相互之间也是平等的
本帖最后由 红山人 于 2018-1-24 15:07 编辑

反正我觉得李朝相比高丽朝是开倒车的

贵贱可以有别,但不要过分细化, 贵  良  贱   各自内部应该是平等的, 不要再分的那么多的阶级

而且我觉得, 给贱民翻身城良民的机会是很有必要的,同时良民如果犯罪,则贬为贱民 这样约束良民的品行    至于说 良民翻身成为贵族,这个倒可以限制,毕竟古代社会,贵族阶级肯定是先考虑自己的  让他们革掉自己的命  这不现实
189# sahaliyan

这种制度确实好多了,  不过满人的那种靠战功的 概率应该颇小吧,你知道高丽朝有没有过 通过让奴婢们参加战争,让后给他们良民身份的情况么?
所以感觉 高丽还是不错的, 至少有一切通过战争翻身, 朝鲜就不会了
我也是头一次知道这个事 不过我之前就知道 朝鲜时代的平壤比首尔更摩登 瓦房更多 土路更少
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